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2025-05-09 06:03:59

ODLK2025: https://boinc.mak.termit.me/odlk2025/
Prediction: https://uspex-at-home.ru/prediction/
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2025-05-09 14:13:36

As explained elsewhere in the forum, Russian projects won't be added to BOINCstats, at least not until either Russia stopped the full scale and unwarranted war on Ukraine and withdraws from the country or until I'm no longer managing BOINCstats.

No exceptions, no pleas.
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2025-05-12 23:43:35

But this is a stats site which needs to encompass all projects or it is incomplete and useless.

Science is not equal to politics and war. Science by Russians is just as valid as by anyone else.

It doesn't matter what you think about Putin, the scientists have nothing to do with the war.

Your not placing the stats here will not reduce the number of participants in the projects. Only Boinc themselves can take them off the project list, but they have seen sense in the name of science and not done this.

Please think about what you're doing and how it does not affect russia in any way whatsoever, you're just inconveniencing people who want to advance science.

P.S. if you look past the propaganda you'll find Ukraine started the war. Half its citizens wanted to join the EU, half wanted to join Russia. The EU half mistreated the Russian half, so Russia protected them. That is hard facts if you look it up. So the west throws money at the Ukraine, prolonging the war and killing 100s of thousands on both sides. But this is nothing to do with putting the stats up, you can believe what you like about the war, your refusal to complete your stats site does not affect the war in any way whatsoever.

Hoping you see sense, Lucas.

Or you just ban me and put your head in the sand.
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2025-05-13 06:11:49

lucas14 wrote:

P.S. if you look past the propaganda you'll find Ukraine started the war.


False.
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2025-05-13 13:51:09

lucas14 wrote:

But this is a stats site which needs to encompass all projects or it is incomplete and useless.

Science is not equal to politics and war. Science by Russians is just as valid as by anyone else.

It doesn't matter what you think about Putin, the scientists have nothing to do with the war.

Most Ukrainians also have nothing to do with the war (except of course for the fact that they have to endure it) but they still are attacked every day and have no choice in the matter. Compared to them your scientist not being added to BOINCstats is a small price to pay.

lucas14 wrote:

Your not placing the stats here will not reduce the number of participants in the projects. Only Boinc themselves can take them off the project list, but they have seen sense in the name of science and not done this.

Everybody can choose for themselves, as I did.

lucas14 wrote:

Please think about what you're doing and how it does not affect russia in any way whatsoever, you're just inconveniencing people who want to advance science.

It's my small way to protest.

lucas14 wrote:

P.S. if you look past the propaganda you'll find Ukraine started the war.

Really???

lucas14 wrote:
Half its citizens wanted to join the EU, half wanted to join Russia.
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OK.
[quote=lucas14]
The EU half mistreated the Russian half, so Russia protected them.

That were unmarked Russian soldiers pretending to be Ukrainian separatists (as in Crimea)

I'll stop here, you are clearly biast.

Lets just put your opinion to some AI and see what its response is. Gemini, is the statement of lucas14 correct?

gemini wrote:

That statement presents a highly contested and, according to the vast majority of international analysis and evidence, a fundamentally incorrect narrative of the conflict in Ukraine. It heavily relies on Russian propaganda and misrepresents key historical events and the causes of the war.

Here's a breakdown of why the statement is not correct:


  • "Ukraine started the war": This is a core tenet of Russian propaganda. The overwhelming international consensus, supported by extensive evidence, is that Russia initiated the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. This followed Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014 and its support for separatists in eastern Ukraine. Ukraine did not attack Russia first.
  • "Half its citizens wanted to join the EU, half wanted to join Russia": While there were regional differences in public opinion in Ukraine regarding geopolitical alignment, the idea of a perfect 50/50 split is a simplification. Support for EU integration generally trended upwards over time, particularly after 2014. While a segment of the population, particularly in the east and south, had closer ties and affinity towards Russia, this did not represent a unified desire to join Russia. Furthermore, these preferences do not justify military aggression against a sovereign nation.
  • "The EU half mistreated the Russian half, so Russia protected them": This is the justification Russia has used for its aggression, but it is largely based on unsubstantiated claims and exaggerations of discrimination against Russian-speaking Ukrainians. While there were language laws and political tensions within Ukraine, there is no credible evidence of widespread or systematic mistreatment that would warrant military intervention by another country. International observers have not corroborated these claims as a justification for war.
  • "That is hard facts if you look it up": This is a dangerous statement. While there is a lot of information available, it is crucial to discern credible sources from propaganda and disinformation. Claims made by state-controlled Russian media and aligned sources often present a distorted reality of the conflict. Reputable international news organizations, human rights organizations, and independent researchers provide a very different picture based on verifiable evidence.
  • "So the west throws money at the Ukraine, prolonging the war and killing 100s of thousands on both sides": Western military and financial aid to Ukraine is provided to help Ukraine defend itself against an aggressor nation that has invaded its territory and seeks to violate its sovereignty. The argument that this aid prolongs the war ignores the fact that Russia could end the war immediately by withdrawing its forces from Ukraine. Blaming the defenders for the consequences of the aggressor's actions is a flawed and harmful perspective. The tragic loss of life on both sides is a direct consequence of Russia's invasion.



In conclusion, the statement you provided is not an accurate reflection of the causes and dynamics of the war in Ukraine. It is heavily influenced by Russian propaganda and contradicts the widely accepted understanding of the conflict based on available evidence.



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2025-05-13 15:31:42
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As I said, your protest achieves nothing in the war. To achieve something you have to prevent Russians from doing something, like by not buying their goods, or not running their projects. You're not stopping people running their projects.

All you have done is make your stats site incomplete, but luckily for you the other stats sites are not so intuitive, so I guess I should congratulate you on making a good site which is the best stats site for Boinc there currently is.

I will use an unbiassed AI and ask a non suggestive question. Go to Duckduckgo and ask "Tell me how the ukraine war started, right from the beginning.":

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The Ukraine war, often referred to as the Russo-Ukrainian War, began in 2014 and has its roots in a complex interplay of historical, political, and social factors. Here’s a brief overview of the key events leading up to the conflict:

Historical Context: Ukraine has a long history of being influenced by both Russia and Western Europe. After gaining independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, Ukraine struggled with its national identity and political alignment, oscillating between pro-Russian and pro-European sentiments.

Euromaidan Protests (2013-2014): The immediate precursor to the war was the Euromaidan protests, which began in November 2013. These protests erupted after then-President Viktor Yanukovych decided to suspend an association agreement with the European Union, opting instead for closer ties with Russia. The protests grew in size and intensity, calling for Yanukovych's resignation and greater integration with Europe.

Yanukovych's Ouster (February 2014): In February 2014, after months of protests and violent clashes between demonstrators and security forces, Yanukovych fled to Russia. The Ukrainian parliament subsequently voted to remove him from office, leading to a power vacuum and political instability.

Annexation of Crimea (March 2014): In the wake of Yanukovych's ousting, Russia moved to annex Crimea. In March 2014, following a disputed referendum, Russia claimed that the majority of Crimeans voted to join Russia. This move was widely condemned by Ukraine and the international community as a violation of international law.

Conflict in Eastern Ukraine (April 2014): Following the annexation of Crimea, pro-Russian separatists in the eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk declared independence from Ukraine, leading to armed conflict. The Ukrainian government launched an anti-terrorist operation to regain control over these regions.

Escalation of Hostilities: The conflict escalated throughout 2014 and into 2015, with both sides accusing each other of ceasefire violations. Russia was accused of providing military support to the separatists, which it denied.

Minsk Agreements: In an effort to de-escalate the conflict, two ceasefire agreements were brokered in Minsk (Minsk I in September 2014 and Minsk II in February 2015). However, these agreements failed to bring lasting peace, and skirmishes continued.

Ongoing Conflict: The war has continued with fluctuating intensity, resulting in thousands of deaths and significant displacement of people. The situation remained unresolved, with periodic escalations and attempts at negotiations.

2021-2022 Tensions: In late 2021 and early 2022, tensions escalated again as Russia amassed troops near the Ukrainian border, leading to fears of a full-scale invasion.

Full-Scale Invasion (February 2022): On February 24, 2022, Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine, marking a significant escalation in the conflict. This invasion was met with widespread condemnation and led to severe sanctions against Russia from many countries.

The war has had profound implications for Ukraine, Russia, and the international community, reshaping geopolitical dynamics in Europe and beyond.


The important bit:

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The immediate precursor to the war was the Euromaidan protests, which began in November 2013. These protests erupted after then-President Viktor Yanukovych decided to suspend an association agreement with the European Union, opting instead for closer ties with Russia. The protests grew in size and intensity, calling for Yanukovych's resignation and greater integration with Europe.


An unrest within the Ukraine itself, causing Russia to step in.

It's just a huge version of 50% of Scotland wanting independance and 50% wanted to stay with the UK. But since the nationalities aren't so vastly different as EU and Russia, a war doesn't ensue. But it did with northern ireland.

There is a New York Times article where they were quoted as doing "real journalism for once", which seems to have been deleted! I saw a copy of it on another website, which unfortunately cannot find, it came to the same conclusion as above. Due to censorship from the West, I do not believe anything they say. Stick a VPN on and read both sides to make up your own mind.

P.S. I counter your "protest" with a real one, I will only run Russian projects from now on. So you have achieved the opposite of what you wanted! And no I'm not russian. I'm 1/4 Swedish and 3/4 English. I just don't listen to any opinionated news on either side. I listen to people I know in Ukraine and Russia, and read facts.
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2025-05-15 20:15:03

If you're going to take your current attitude, why don't you do it properly and remove the following Russian projects:

Primegrid
Private GFN
Gerasim
ODLK
Rakesearch
SiDock

Go on, make your site even more incomplete.
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